321 – Societal Change and the Climate
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Guest: Maja Göpel Host: Markus Voelter Shownoter: Markus Voelter
I am interested in societal change: how can a complex society with lots of emergent (perhaps unintended) behaviors make a conscious change, such as transitioning to a more sustainable economy? We discussed this from an engineering perspective in the episode on Modeling Socio-Technical Systems, and we’ve looked at it historically in the episode on Societal Complexity and Collapse. In this episode we look at the topic more from the perspective of civil society and politics. Our guest ist Maja Göpel; she heads the German government’s Advisory Council on Global Change and has also written a book called The Great Mindshift on the topic.
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I think the topic is extremely interesting and important. I enjoyed some aspects of the debate, but al in all it remained a bit too much on the surface. I do hope there will be a follow-up with a more in-depth discussion, on the technical, scientific, and also social science aspects of the topic.
Thank you for yet another very enjoyable and insightful episode, which was much too short to cover some interesting aspects more in-depth. I was specifically happy to hear about your plans to continue this micro-series on one of the most important topics of our time and would like to suggest two names for a potential follow-up: on the general social scientific background, Armin Nassehi might be good candidate for a serious introduction to the theory of social systems and problems around their controllability, while Prof. Helmut Willke has been writing for quite some time about the specific problems for a democracy, which are imposed by an ever-increasing complexity of our world.
Thx! I will check these two guys out!
Thank you for the podcasts. I enjoy them very much, especially the aviation and fusion related stuff. This time I was missing two points:
-More examples and discussion of rapid societal change(peaceful/successful ones)
-A global view of the climate problem(Population: Germany ~80m, EU ~400m, World ~7500m)
Thank you for this nice Interview.
The rhetoric of SfF is unfortunately quite different.
EconTalk podcast recently had a related episode on climate change which presents a slightly different perspective and I think that it’s worth to listen to it as well:
https://www.econtalk.org/bjorn-lomborg-on-the-costs-and-benefits-of-attacking-climate-change/
Again a good episode (though IMO it falls a bit behind the one with Igor).
I clearly heard your promise to come up with more episodes around this topic in the future ;) – I’d be very happy to hear them, because I think you are touching _the_ central point here: the (political) system we are stuck in quite now is going to continue to destroy the bases of living of mankind (though not the planet, we are not powerful enough for that).
And before someone gets the wrong hang on these words: this is not meant as a thread to the german constitution (cannot say for others). We have a quite good constitution. IMO the current systems flexes it’s possibilities to the extreme and much better systems must be possible that at the same time are more in line with the constitution.
Maybe this also could be an extremely interesting topic to talk about with an expert in constitutional law (Staatsrechtler)!?